We do actually get to the topic crypically suggested in the title, but it takes a while. It’s worth the wait.

Also, our video production software (Wirecast) just blipped away in what should have been ‘late in the show’ - well after the two hour mark, but once we fired it up again, we went on for another half hour. So for video, you see PART ONE and PART TWO on YouTube. Audio listeners get one file, spliced together. Yoiu’ll hear it

And here’s a link to Debra Cowan - thanks, Debra!