In this special episode of XO, Your Unlicensed Therapist, Kate is joined by guest co-host Veronica Stern—actor, podcaster, and all-around dream re-evaluator. Together, they dive deep into what it means to pivot, pause, and reimagine success as a creative in today’s world. From leaving national tours to exploring corporate careers, Veronica shares her journey of redefining what “making it” really means.

They unpack toxic industry myths (hi, “theater or bust”), the weight of social media expectations, and the power of giving yourself permission to evolve. If you’ve ever felt like your dream is shifting—or like you’re “behind”—this episode is the hug (and reality check).