On this episode of the We're Jabbin' podcast, Licheng and Kenji discuss what it means to level up beyond usability for product designers and UX researchers. They cover what they perceive to be the three levels of design/research (that they know about) and reflect on what they have learned so far in their careers.They discuss the 3 levels of being a Product Designer/UX Researcher:

Level 1 -  Execution

Level 2 - Collaboration & Facilitation

Level 3 - Influence & Product Thinking

Level 4 - TBD (???)

----more----About the PodWe're Jabbin' is a weekly podcast hosted by Kenji Kaneko (a Product Designer) and Licheng Zhu (a UX researcher) where they discuss and debate topics broadly related to UX research and design.

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