From our families to our workplaces to our global communities, we are shaped and influenced by the systems in which we live and work and play, so to unpack these complex and influential dynamics, I talk with Derek McNeil about systems theory, thoughtful engagement, and gritty work that is deeply meaningful.

Derek is president of The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology and has his Master of Divinity from Fuller Theological Seminary and a PhD in counseling psychology from Northwestern University.

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES:

• Immunity to Change
• Anything by Meg Wheatley

FIND DEREK:

• Text.Soul.Culture podcast

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I’m Annie Mesaros: a theologian, writer, spiritual guide, and host of this podcast. I offer coaching and facilitation for individuals and groups that are working to transform the world for good. 

Learn more, contact me, and stream the full archive of God Help Us at anniemesaros.com.