In this episode, Jen is back with Jay and Rachael Kent to talk more about their difficult "wilderness" season. The Kents share the events of this time in their lives in greater detail, as well as the leadership values Jay has learned along the way. They reflect on some of the good things that came from this season, how they've grown, and what they've discovered about God in the midst of their trials.

Check out Jay's album, "Pray and Run," here: https://music.apple.com/us/album/pray-and-run/989737597