In this week's interview episode, we're joined by Eileen Anderson. Eileen does an outstanding job of striving for accuracy while making space for personal experience and anecdotal evidence. Eileen brings expertise in music, sound and acoustics to the dog training world. 

In this week's episode you'll hear Emily and Eileen talk about: 

• When it comes to sound sensitivity, volume isn’t everything
• Ad hoc counterconditioning can be effective 
• Why Morgan Freeman is good for dogs
• Stay ahead of the pain, stay ahead of the panic

You can find the full episode show notes here.