Seja talks to her guest Missy Higgins about her new mini album Total Control, how she expanded the songs from writing for television and how it was produced. They chat about their shared phobias, how important it is to surround yourself with good hearted people on tour, and their fear of accidentally not being woke enough. Missy tells seja about fighting for women’s rights, being politically outspoken and writing abstract piano music.

Missy’s strange story was illustrated by Charmaine Greenwood. All illustrations can be seen on instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the hearsej facebook page.