Sarah Edmondson, a former NXIVM cult member and author of "Scarred." They discuss Sarah's experience with the cult, the psychological tactics used to manipulate members, and the parallels between NXIVM and Scientology. Sarah explains NXIVM's "M process," which is akin to therapy, aimed at resolving conflicting beliefs and emotional responses. She shares a personal anecdote about overcoming irrational anger triggered by dishes left in the sink, which was linked to her parents' divorce. The conversation also touches on the importance of personal responsibility and the dangers of its misuse. Sarah concludes by advising listeners on how to identify a cult and encourages critical thinking.