America isn't entitled to be the world's leader, says David Rothkopf, international relations expert, political scientist and journalist. Countries have to earn that privilege, Rothkopf argues, and they can earn it by having leaders that effectuate policy outcomes that make life better for citizens. In this conversation, Joe and David compare notes on the "30 reforms" each believe make up those outcomes--and they posit that if they can overlap on 15, that would be a very good sign!