“You have to expend energy to get energy… The more energy you take in, and the less you expend, you’ll have less energy. But for me, I expend energy to get energy. It makes me feel good. Psychologically, it makes me feel fresher. Which means makes me feel better. If you feel tired, if you feel physically tired, what do you do? Do something physically active, and you don't feel physically tired anymore.

I'm not talking about so dead tired that you literally pass out, but you know, just normally during your day, if you're lethargic and physically tired, what should you do? Move your body. Walk around the block. That's when you need to do something. Go for a walk, a cycle, climb a fucking tree, do something, and that will make you feel so much more energetic.”

Episode #85 of The Hope Initiative with Mark Baker.