Dan and Nathan are joined by writer and reporter Ali Montag, whose guest post on "The Inner Ring of the Internet" was published on Divinations last week. Using Ali's piece—which explores how the cultural push to 'build in public' endangers our understandings of our own creative work—as a jumping-off point, the trio discuss media's insular issues, the crucial nature of writing in a group setting, and why ad and subscription-based business models are best understood as donuts and kale.