We live in a world where people attack and demonize others who disagree with them, rather than listening and seeking to understand with an undercurrent of love and respect. In this episode, Joel dives into a constructive debate with Ellen Rice Chever, covering challenging topics like pursuing tolerance vs. respect, or whether or not real equity should be pursued as an end. You’ll truly see what mutual respect and admiration can look like even when you disagree with others, and maybe restore a little hope in humanity!