American writer-director-actor Dustin Guy Defa (BAD FEVER, PERSON TO PERSON) talks with Manuela about Nicole Kidman – how she revealed her complexity first in Gus Van Sant's TO DIE FOR, then in Stanley Kubrick's EYES WIDE SHUT, and how she's continued to seek out challenging parts, such as her role in Jonathan Glazer's BIRTH. They also discuss how Hollywood has changed and keeps changing, and what a risky film truly is.