Just as we were speculating on what it takes to ascend in show business we get a call from someone with ascension experience. Serendipitously Shane Gillis makes a brief speaker phone appearance as a call-in expert. Other topics include: The crazy Bikram Yoga guy, and how society conflates money with genius, and so much more. 

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