“I sometimes go and sit with an old friend, father John, who runs an ashram in Warburton. He's got seven acres on the riverbank and with a bench seat. We'll sit on that bench seat and just talk and it'll be whatever he wants to talk about. And it could be anything from, “Is there a God?” to, “Is there a future?” The climbing of the Hills around him, anything, or it might just be half an hour silence. And silence is fine. But silence is what you should give to a 21 year old because that's the only thing he hears.”

Episode #92 of The Hope Initiative with Maurice Esmond.