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We appeared on Leslie and Stephen Shaw podcast. Leslie Shaw is an author of what are they and what are they’re up to. Leslie and Stephen Shaw have appeared on our podcast over a year ago discussing the alien UFO connection. Today we are now a guest on their show discussing our personal experiences and our personal opinion on what UFOs are and what aliens are. Thank you again for inviting us your show.

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