We open a dialogue about Bens' wonderful book 'Edge: Leadership Secrets from Football's Top Thinkers - elements such as the soft skills, cohesion, resilience and creativity are explored.

Ben gives tips for entrepreneurs and start-ups from his time spent with Ralf Rangnick, former head of sport and development at Red Bull in Austria. We dig into the story about overcoming setbacks and facing challenges as per a meeting with Mariyn Beuker of AZ Alkmaar - about a swimming pool and how to teach children to face obstacles.

Make sure you check out Ben's Football school series too!

Thanks for joining us on our show Ben - and here's to everyone finding an Edge!