In this conversation, the speakers (Senzo & Zama ) explore the concept of excellence within the church, discussing the importance of integrating skills and professionalism into spiritual practices. They emphasize that excellence is not merely about perfection but about diligence, integrity, and the ability to bring one's best to all areas of life, including work and ministry. The discussion also highlights the need for a kingdom perspective that sees no divide between secular and sacred, urging believers to model excellence in every aspect of their lives