Kris and I discuss the Joseph Campbell quote "history can best be understood as misunderstood myth." What does it mean to take the plants, animals, and spirits out of our stories? Does this signal a shift from the internal to the external, agency to control? Can dreams be too on the nose?

Please excuse the audio quality on this one. Busy week, and I had to record with Gus. He did well for an almost one-year-old for an hour plus! Enjoy the ambient noise...