Swati Swoboda traces her path from an eighth-grade research project on a library computer to leading development for Vault in Shopify’s Office of the CEO—work she calls “metaprogramming the company.” In this conversation, Swati and Federico dive into the arc of modern engineering: from Classic ASP and hand-editing production files to Rails’ elegant conventions, from code reviews to reading far more code than you write, and from individual craftsmanship to orchestrating AI agents at scale.

Swati’s origin story begins pre-Google, when Yahoo directories and Ask Jeeves sparked a fascination with how the web worked. A 37signals (Basecamp) redesign demo later revealed the power of product and UX to remove friction from everyday tasks—an ethos that still guides her. She reminisces about Classic ASP (“Response.write everywhere”), the security lessons of SQL injection, and why C# plus Visual Studio felt magical—before discovering how Rails’ readability and conventions make both writing and reading code feel like prose.

Inside Shopify, Swati explains Vault, the internal system that houses projects, reviews, and company knowledge. Through the GSD cadence, leaders (including founder/CEO Tobi) review thousands of projects on a regular rhythm, creating alignment, shared context, and accountability. Is that bureaucracy? Swati’s view: every company has bureaucracy; the question is whether it creates clarity and reduces waste—duplicate work, abandoned efforts, and misaligned launches that erode trust with merchants. Vault acts like GPS for work: it surfaces direction, status, risks, and trade-offs so teams can move faster in the same direction.

On autonomy vs. micromanagement, Swati draws a line between intrusive time-tracking and principled, opinionated leadership. Engineers “earn agency” by aligning frequently, exposing assumptions, and inviting context.

AI is everywhere in her workflow. Shopify teams use Claude and agents heavily, which means 100+ PRs in a day isn’t unusual. The skill that shines now is less about hand-optimizing algorithms and more about communication, problem framing, and system design: expressing outcomes, sharing context, and rigorously steering agents. PMs can “vibe-code” prototypes to validate ideas; engineers elevate to higher-leverage problems and faster learning loops. Far from shrinking the field, Swati expects AI to create more engineers overall (though fewer per company), with roles blending product sense, architectural judgment, security awareness, and foundational CS literacy.

Themes you’ll hear throughout: build tools that reduce pain; prefer clarity to speed when it protects trust; ship to learn, then iterate; and treat culture as a product you can shape with systems. It’s a candid tour through how a founder-led company scales alignment, why Rails still “fits the brain,” and how the next generation of engineers will manage fleets of intelligent collaborators to deliver real-world impact.

About Swati Swoboda:

- https://x.com/swatiswoboda

About Federico Ramallo ✨👨‍💻🌎

🚀 Software Engineering Manager | 🛠 Founder of DensityLabs.io & PreVetted.ai | 🤝 Connecting 🇺🇸 U.S. teams with top nearshore 🌎 LATAM engineers

- 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/framallo/

- 🌐 https://densitylabs.io

- ✅ https://prevetted.ai

🎙 PreVetted Podcast 🎧📡

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00:00 Introduction to Swati Swoboda

01:40 Swati's Origin Story in Software Development

04:41 The Impact of Engineering on User Experience

06:38 Rails vs. Other Programming Languages

09:35 The Beauty of Code and Readability

11:15 The Evolution of Programming Languages

15:42 Metaprogramming at Shopify

20:23 Company Culture and Project Alignment

22:44 Avoiding Wasted Efforts in Engineering

25:04 Balancing Bureaucracy and Innovation

27:07 Learning from Mistakes and Iteration

35:28 AI's Role in Software Development

46:31 The Future of Engineering with AI