We get a rough start but find our way and thank listener Curtis P!  If you’d like to support the show, check out https://buymeacoffee.com/timetolean

John gets the drinking part out of the way by making a Wisconsin-style Old Fashioned. He got it slightly wrong with the types, which are described (accurately) here:  here.

Phil reveals that he doesn’t like brandy.

More talk about what we’ve been watching:

Bad Sisters, Silo (John); Sakamoto Days, Joker (2019) (Phil)

A left turn into the world of Phil Collins - Phil Collins: Drummer First, Wicked, John is rewatching Lord of the Rings, 

Song: “Cracker Barrel Nutcracker”