In this episode Frédérique Apffel-Marglin speaks with Joanna about: the rhythmic connection between humans and the cosmos; a paradize for medicinal and psychoactive plants; origin of the Sachamama Center for Biocultural regeneration; rediscovering the pre-Columbian, anthropogenic "terra preta" (black earth); encountering the Sacred in the most visceral way; healed by the icaros (sacred songs); initiation by the Spirits; healing the inner and outer landscape; towards a holistic, cosmocentric worldview; the complexity of the ayahuasca ceremonies; reverse anthropology on "subversive spiritualities".

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