In this engaging conversation, Ellie Singer shares her journey from college to a career as an outdoor guide. Born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona, Ellie always had a passion for the outdoors. Upon graduation from Arizona State University, she was initially drawn to a marketing job with an outdoor adventure company . However, after a year in marketing, a COVID-19 related layoff led her to pursue her real dream: outdoor guiding. Now, she guides backpacking and hiking trips as well as being a river guide in the Grand Canyon. Ellie discusses the challenges and rewards of the job, from the unpredictable schedule to the unique experiences she gets to share with her clients. She offers insight into how to break into the industry and emphasizes the transformative nature of outdoor experiences for those she guides.