As we look out into our country, we are reckoning with the sin of racism and a lack of justice. Now, this isn't an easy subject to talk about and we don't expect this podcast is going to change people on the spot, but we do hope that it will lead to thought, dialogue and consideration that will lead everybody closer to the truth.

In Part 1, Darnell talks about growing up Black and Mexican in America.

In Part 2, Max talks to Dr. Krista Stevens, professor of Diversity and Christian Social Ethics at John Carroll University about Racism in American Culture.

Whose that Saint? It is Venerable Pierre Toussaint!