If you’ve wondered how to get your name on the back of a navy destroyer, you’ll want to listen carefully to this edition of Ebb and flow. Our guest Paul Ignatius has indeed checked that box, and while we speak to him about that experience we also focus on the fascinating life journey that has taken this 102 year young son of Armenian immigrants from a childhood in Glendale, CA, to Harvard Business School, to the pacific theater in WWII, to the most senior levels of US government where he served in roles including Secretary of the Navy and Assistant Secretary of Defense. And while many might rest on those laurels, Secretary Ignatius went on to become President of the Washington Post. We cover all of this and also hear this remarkable man’s take on the current world order and his hopes and expectations for the future.