We started a conversation about race. A 2.5 hour conversation and really we've just scratched the surface. We wanted to take this conversation out of memes and boxes and have it amongst four real women. Let us introduce you to Janei and Phebe, two black law enforcement officer wives who sit down with us to talk to us about race relations today. And yes, this interview is long (our longest ever) but we didn't want to edit it down and cut out anything that you might feel is worth listening to. Our ultimate hope is that you will also have these conversations in real life too. We hope you enjoy it.