In episode 13, Jimmy sits down with Laura for a candid, unfiltered conversation about the realities of senior leadership in the Church. With Drew out, they take time to reflect on the unique pressures, privileges, and patterns of leading together — not as a platform, but as a way of life.This is a conversation for those who know the weight of the call: the cost of visibility, the nuances of parenting pastors' kids, the ongoing invitation to stay tender before God while leading others with strength and grace.They explore what leadership looks like when it's shared in marriage, and how to carry spiritual responsibility without losing one's identity. They discuss the importance of guarding authenticity and unity while living in the spotlight, and the complexities of parenting in ministry without cultivating resentment. Finally, they reflect on what it means to surrender your rights and lead with grace, even when the full story is never told in your favor.