In this episode of The Advantage Podcast, David Ashcraft interviews Les McKeown, author of "Predictable Success," about the stages of growth that organizations go through, and how these principles apply to churches and faith-based organizations. 

Les shares insights on: 

• The "Early Struggle" phase and why the term "startup" can be misleading. 

• How a visionary leader's role evolves as an organization grows. 

• The "Whitewater" stage and the importance of high-quality team-based decision-making. 

• Moving from a founder mindset to a CEO mindset. 

• Practical steps for navigating complexity and achieving predictable success. 

Whether you're a pastor, church leader, or involved in any growing organization, this episode offers valuable frameworks for understanding and navigating the challenges of growth.