We're taking a break from the usual programming to bring you an episode from our sibling podcast Undercurrents, produced by MCC Ontario and hosted by the very wonderful Ken Ogasawara.

In this episode, Ken speaks with best-selling author, public speaker and podcaster Malcolm Gladwell. They cover a lot of ground—from pacifism, to soccer, climate change and more. This episode has been edited for length.

Full transcript available here: https://mcc.org/sites/mcc.org/files/media/rdp_episode_41-malcolm_gladwell_0.pdf