This podcast was one of my first in 2011 with the actor and activist Max Gail.

In 1979, Barney Miller was a major hit television series on ABC in the fourth year of its seven year run.  Max Gail starred in the ensemble as Det. Stan “Wojo” Wojciehowicz.

I was in LA taking a shot a fame and fortune (missing the target high and to the left, but that’s another story).  I had begun a teeny-tiny-talk show on the local cable access channel.  I serendipitously ran into Max and he agreed to be a guest on the show, my first major celebrity.  Afterwards, Max invited me to the set and introduced me to the cast and the creator, Danny Arnold, who also came on my show.  Many other guests followed as a result of Max Gail’s appearance.

Max went on to perform in numerous films, television and on-stage, most notably on Broadway in “The Babe” which was later filmed and shown on PBS.

Max is a documentary film maker, actor, environmental and Native American activist and parent, not necessarily in that order.  He remains, as always, a graceful, thoughtful and generous human being.

Our conversation will focus upon what Max calls LAP, his quest to create context for dialogue (rather than debate) on air, on-line and on the level.