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In this episode, I share parts of a conversation I recently had with the musician MJ Lenderman, who happens to be a pal of mine. Jake talks about his nervousness around being interviewed, his desire for more solitude, and his perspective on what he calls "micro fame." He also shares some thoughts on the touring lifestyle and how it was made even more challenging when he and his Wednesday bandmate broke up several months ago. Along with fielding my questions, Jake asked me a couple and got me talking about group therapy, as well as my relationship with music of late. With selections from his fantastic new album, "Manning Fireworks."