Rod Allen, former School District Superintendent and Assistant Deputy Minister in BC's Ministry of Education, joins Alex and Jeff for a discussion about how change is made at the system-wide level. Rod is co-founder of the Deeper Learning Dozen - an organization designed to "support superintendents, through a community of practice, to transform school districts to support equitable access to deeper learning experiences and outcomes for all students and adults, through changes in leadership, school and district systems, adult learning, and pedagogy."