The Michael Peres Podcast

A Conversation with Sanny Liao


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Catching up on another episode with Sanny Liao – co-founder and Chief Product Officer of Fable Security and a PhD-trained data scientist – as she unpacks how a love for pure math led her into the front lines of cybersecurity and human risk. From abstract algebra at Barnard to leading data science teams at Abnormal Security and Teleport (now X), Sanny shares why the future of security isn’t just technical—it’s deeply human.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• How Sanny’s journey from pure math and economic policy to a PhD at UC Berkeley shaped her approach to building security products.
• What it’s really like entering cybersecurity “by accident”—and why it’s now one of the most critical fields in tech.
• Why humans are often called the weakest link in security—and why Sanny believes that mindset is outdated.
• How behavior change, not just better tools, is the next frontier in protecting organizations from cyber threats.
• Why cybersecurity and AI literacy will soon be as essential as basic internet skills for everyone.

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The Michael Peres PodcastBy Michael Peres