In this episode I have a conversation with my good friend and artist, Steffano or better known as Step. We talk about our friendship that has spanned over a decade and the wild times we had along the way. We dive deep into the world of creativity and drugs and how they intertwine as well as what it's like to unravel yourself from the romanticized logic and learn how to create as a sober artist. As I was editing this episode I discovered that there's a lot of Easter eggs in this conversation that I wish I would have come to realize a lot sooner, not only in my career but also in my personal life. Enjoy!

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