In this episode of ConvHERsations with Kristie, she’s joined by Nicole Mennicke—Fractional Integrator, Kolbe coach, and speaker—for a powerful conversation on the evolving relationship between first and second in command leaders.

Together, they unpack what Nicole calls the four seasons of the Visionary-Integrator relationship: embracing the suck, building trust, riding high, and enduring the stumble. This episode dives deep into what happens when alignment falters, how to rebuild after a stumble, and why self-awareness and vulnerability are essential to creating a leadership team that works in sync.

Nicole shares practical tools like the “Scale of 1 to Care,” “Levels of Yes,” and the value of starting every same-page meeting with a Head-Heart-Body check-in. They also explore what happens when roles aren’t clearly defined and how to avoid the common pitfall of stepping on each other’s toes.

It’s a candid and refreshing look at the real work it takes to lead together—with humility, trust, and shared purpose.