In this powerful episode of ConvHERsations with Kristie, host Kristie Clayton is joined by Rachel Lebowitz—EOS Implementer®, author, and coach—to explore the complex and often unspoken dynamics between visionaries and integrators. Rachel draws on her background in codependency recovery to share how traits commonly found in entrepreneurs—like impulsivity, intensity, and addiction to “more”—can create burnout, self-doubt, and enmeshment for the integrators who support them.

They dive deep into why second-in-command leaders often feel overwhelmed, how to break free from the “needless and wantless” mindset, and what it really means to show up empowered. Rachel introduces her framework for integrators to develop “ADD”—Assertiveness, Decisiveness, and Discernment—and shares how to avoid people-pleasing, use imposter syndrome as fuel, and lead with confidence.

This episode is a must-listen for any integrator navigating the push-pull of visionary energy, and for visionaries who want to better support (and be supported by) their second-in-command.