When President Obama's administration finalized the Iranian nuclear accord, it was met with praise as well as skepticism. But some were more than skeptical—arguing that the very act of negotiating with Iran was in effect a surrender. The argument did not surprise Professors Robert Ivie and Oscar Giner, who just released a book arguing that US war rhetoric has always transformed outsiders into enemies, and enemies into devils. Dr. Ivie joins the show to discuss Hunt the Devil: A Demonology of US War Culture.