In this episode, we present the final transmission of live recordings from the exhibition program that accompanied Broken Boxes: A Decade of Art, Action, and Dialogue at the Albuquerque Museum. This live conversation between exhibition co-curators Ginger Dunnill and Josie Lopez took place on March 2, 2025, and served as the closing event for both the exhibition and its programming.

Josie Lopez is an independent art historian and curator. At the time of this conversation, she was the head curator at the Albuquerque Museum. 

Ginger Dunnill is the creator and host of Broken Boxes podcast. Ginger is a producer, story archivist, curator, community organizer, sound artist and writer. 

A note from Ginger Dunnill on the end of an era:

This episode also celebrates the end of the podcast portion of Broken Boxes as we’ve come to know it. I want to be clear—this work is not finished. It’s transforming.

This podcast, and the communities it has brought together, have deeply shaped my life and heart. I am forever grateful to be in conversation with so many creative thought leaders of our time. I’m still here with you all—and if you ever need me, just reach out.

I’ve recently been accepted into a creative nonfiction MFA program, where I’ll spend the next two years deepening my practice and exploring how my work can be used as a tool for radical archiving, while honing my voice as an artist.

The Broken Boxes podcast will remain accessible online for as long as I’m able to maintain it. I’ll also continue producing The Long Con series with Cannupa Hanska Luger and Sterlin Harjo on its own platform—so stay tuned for more on that project’s evolution.

And of course, Broken Boxes will carry on through underground music and performance events, and other small activations, both on- and offline. This work continues—it’s just taking new forms.

Since beginning this podcast, I’ve had the profound privilege of being in community with some of the most visionary artists of our time. My deepest respect and love goes to every creative mind who has contributed to this project. Your ideas continue to shape how we survive as artists and use our platforms for change.

To the many listeners who have grown with Broken Boxes: I’m with you. Thank you, always.

Here’s to breaking boxes—and building worlds.

I’ll see you in the streets!