In our fourth episode of 'A Father's Heart - A Podcast for Catholic Dads' we focus on section 5 of Patris Corde - A Creative Courageous Father. We reflect on what it must have been like for St Joseph to take the Holy Family into Egypt and how many fathers are making similar journeys today. Our guest is Okiemute Ekwevugbe who is the Chairman of African Catholic Chaplaincy in Leicestershire. Okiemute, originally from Nigeria, is now a parishioner of St John Bosco & St Mary's in Leicester, a pharmacist and also training to be a doctor, he is married and has two boys.