After four years advising two Prime Ministers of Canada on foreign policy, Oz Jungic breaks his silence with Pendulum.

Jungic is moving on to another role outside of the political sphere and sat down with host Yaroslav Baran to discuss how decisions are made at the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), how the decision to recognize Palestine came together, and the evolving NATO response to Russia’s war against Ukraine.

And he drops some hints about where he's going next.

Get the insider's inside scoop on The Swing.