Warning: this episode contains strong language and descriptions of violence.

A few days ago, for the first time, an American jury convicted a parent for a mass shooting carried out by their child.

Lisa Miller, who has been following the case since its beginning, explains what the historic verdict really means.

Guest: Lisa Miller, a domestic correspondent for The New York Times

Background reading: 

• From New York Magazine: Will James and Jennifer Crumbley be Found Guilty for Their Son’s Mass Shooting?
• Mother of Michigan Gunman Found Guilty of Manslaughter
• A Mom’s Conviction Offers Prosecutors a New Tactic in Mass Shooting Cases

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