In this episode, host Gary Jones welcomes Pastor Jim Roden to discuss the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in church leadership. The conversation explores what emotional intelligence is—and isn’t—while offering real-world examples of high and low EQ in church leadership contexts. They unpack how developing emotional intelligence can strengthen ministry effectiveness and discipleship. Addressing common skepticism among Christian leaders, the discussion touches on the biblical validity of EQ and the often-dismissed value of emotions, therapy, and counseling in spiritual leadership. The episode concludes with practical ways leaders can grow in EQ themselves and help others do the same within their churches.

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