Described by Rolling Stone as "the point man" for drug policy reform efforts and “the real drug czar,” this week's guest, Ethan Nadelmann, is widely regarded as the outstanding proponent of drug policy reform both in the United States and abroad. He founded The Lindesmith Center (1994-2000) and then the Drug Policy Alliance (2000-2017). We talk to Ethan about the unlikely leadership of the United States in reforming marijuana laws, the role of the drug war in mass incarceration, and President Biden’s slow transformation from being old time drug warrior to a drug policy reformer.

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