Tom Christmann talks with Gavin Lester, CCO of Zambezi (zmbz.com) n independent agency in Culver City, California. Tom and Gavin discuss going from art to advertising, Goodby vs. BBH, the making of Levi's "Odyssey" (directed by Jonathan Glazer) and so much more.

Tom can be reached at tomchristmann.net. Gavin can be reached at [email protected]. And the whole thing is sponsored by Adhouse Advertising School (adhousenyc.com) where we are now shipping decks of our newest product Adhouse Of Cards - 35 techniques that will expand your thinking and improve your campaigns. And the best part is that all the proceeds go to the Adhouse Scholarship Program. Get your deck for just $20 (plus $3 shipping) at Adhousenyc.com/store.

Music by Ross Hopman at Duotone Audio Group.