In this episode, I talk with my friend John Farquhar about his work at the think tank, the Rand Corporation, in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. I first heard of Rand for its role in providing data to the military during the Vietnam War. Most connect the think tank to the Pentagon Papers, famously leaked by Rand employee Daniel Ellsberg.  But, as John explains, there was, and is, much more to this intriguing organization than that single focus implies.