Jace welcomes writer Rich Douek back to the show to talk about A Phone Call Away. A true crime thriller from Mad Cave Studios showcasing a family, the Walkers, that suffered the tragedy of having a daughter kidnapped, but eventually turned their advocay for other missing children into a successful social media career complete with a reality TV show. When their second daughter is kidnapped 14 years later, it leads to stunning revelations about the Walkers and the truth about their first daughter. Jace and Rich talk about the nature of what makes true crime so compelling and how it influenced this book. Also, they discuss the structure of this story, how it was best suited to be told in one complete volume and the great experience he has had working with Mad Cave.