On this episode of EJBTalks Stuart Shapiro welcomes Professor Patrick Hill, who teaches ethics classes across Bloustein's programs. Patrick has an in-depth discussion with Stuart about ethics and its application in informing planning, policy, and public health.  Professor Hill also discusses his new book "No Place for Ethics", which centers on the United States Supreme Court and how the judicial system has come to exclude consideration of ethics and instead elevates adherence to the law over ethical concerns. Hill discusses a particularly interesting--and abominable--example he uses in his book which demonstrates how law can be impoverished without ethics.  Stuart also asks Patrick to reflect on his time at Bloustein and his thoughts about his legacy.