Where Dave, Whitney and Doug sit down and talk about vacations and birds - and they talk a lot about birds - and then God's Kingdom as a place of creation goodness. They discuss God's intentional purpose is for our goodness. Doug asks "What's so enticing about evil - it runs off the cliff towards destruction?" And they talk about the sinful human drive for significance - and how in heaven, we'll have perfect relational freedom, because their significance won't diminish ours.  

Books Referenced

• Live No Lies - John Mark Comer
• A Severe Mercy - Sheldon Van
• The Lion and the Lamb - Charles Causey