We see high crime in some key cities such as Chicago, and even more locally, Newburgh, NY. The common narrative blames this high rate of crime on poverty and racial discrimination. Last year there were close to 800 homicides in Chicago alone. Yet in the 1950's this was not the case, and people were far poorer and there was more discrimination. Our guest points to the family as key to reducing crime, and not welfare. The welfare state and the coddling of criminals is hurting the cities, not helping them. Yet we see small cities, even Kingston, NY pushing to make themselves a "sanctuary city!" This is insanity. It will raise the crime rate and call for more welfare. No thinking leader would do that to its people if they really wanted to serve the law-abiding citizens. Setting up sanctuary cities is a violation of federal law. We also talk about economics - what does a free market system look like by way of a simple illustration? Participants: Dr. Walter E. Williams, Dan Elmendorf