Have you ever considered that God sometimes leaves a nation to their own ways, and no longer blesses a people because of their gross sins. If so, the question is, have we reached that point in America? What about during the 1860's with the slavery issue? What did the leaders of that day have to say? Was the war a punishment? If so, then both North and South were being punished, according to Lincoln. But there was another problem in the 1860's too, and it was in particular, the North's aversion to really bad theology; theology that robbed God of His glory. What about today? Is God leaving us to our own ways because we have turned our backs on him as a nation? This is a very disturbing thought. One thought towards the end of the discussion is this: "We shouldn't be misled into thinking that because we live in a rich and powerful nation (and many ways the richest and most powerful nation there's ever been) that somehow that's a sign of blessing and that we're invulnerable. Every great empire; every great nation in history has fallen and collapsed, and the United States of America will be no exception." Join us for an interesting discussion. Participants: Dr. Hans Vought, Rev. Mark Diedrich, Dan Elmendorf.